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  God & universe #1 - God's position and authority

  by Anders Andersen in

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  while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.

  jehovah created the universe.

  destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .

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  Anders Andersen

  @WannabeHammer ;-)

  Yes I know. A real, specific, non-physical, spiritual place called the heavens.
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  The Watchtower Corporation's (JWS) extenuating lies .....Why and for what purpose ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  upon researching the historical activity of the wts.

  it becomes clear that the head editorial writers of this religious publishing house propagated many formative lies or unproven speculations framed within its own bible theological interpretations.. .

  going right back to its earliest inception the head writers of the wts proclaimed that christ has returned and that mankind was going occur a dramatic change through this returning establishment of christ, as prophetically told though bible scripture.. the first year devised by the wts of this return was 1874 and through means of using an obscure measurement of the great pyramid of giza 1914 was to be the year of armageddon.. the 6000 years of mankind's existence was used at that time as well ( early 1900's) to support this supposed code cracking, which was used once again in the late 1960's to create 1975 as another year of significance.

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  It just dawned on me...I always thought it's a bit strange that some MLM companies (like ACN) display (cultish) behaviour similar to JW.borg....

  Makes sense...basically the Borg is a MLM company...but one where everyone pays, never gets any reward, and they demand more of your time.

  Man I wish my parents had brought me up in a decent MLM company....could have been rich and retired by now :-p
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  Article: "Why God Won't Go Away" (Contains an example of a JW) An excellent read!

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://committingsociology.com/2016/01/15/transcending-religious-ideas-is-easy-transcending-religious-thinking-is-hard/.

  why god won’t go away.

  january 15, 2016 john faithful hamer .

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  Anders Andersen

  Nice read.

  It's good for all of us to be aware of our inner Jehovah's Witness and get rid of it...
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  Measuring my progress by past threads....

  by The Rebel in

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  my conclusion is, i hope this site is :-.

  a) first about solving practical problems of people leaving the w.t,.

  b) secondly about if god exists or not.. so what have i learnt since reading my first posts from 6 months ago?.

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  Anders Andersen

  Best thing about being out is having real freedom of thought and speech.

  Since forever I am very curious about everything (those who know me personally also know I will check facts about the weirdest things during a conversation), but some topics were off limits.... Now they are not.

  I love it that I can discuss any topic with people who either think the same or something else as I do.

  Some know a lot more or a lot less on certain topics.

  And I drink it all in to expand my knowledge.

  I strongly believe that understanding what other people believe and know if beneficial for me and my relations with others.

  And in the process I notice I am losing my inner Witness who knows he has The Truth...I become more humble and open to multiple interpretations.

  I don't need to be right anymore...(as long as I'm not wrong ;-) )
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  God & universe #1 - God's position and authority

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.

  jehovah created the universe.

  destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .

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  Anders Andersen

  Many interesting points here, thanks for all your detailed responses.

  Each day I learn more and more that I really don't know anything about religion :-p

  The more I think about it, the God as a spiritual person living in a spiritual place really doesn't make sense (even less than gods in general ;-) )

  And every day I am still surprised that I thought JW religion were TRUTH and infinitely better than other religions. JW beliefs were deep and detailed as opposed to childish superstitions of others.

  Boy was I wrong.... :-D
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  God & universe #1 - God's position and authority

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.

  jehovah created the universe.

  destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .

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  Anders Andersen

  While thinking about the nature of God, I suddenly thought of something else: How JW speak about God in relation to the universe.

  They say that

  1. Jehovah created the universe
  2. Jehovah is the highest authority /sovereign in the universe
  3. destroying Satan and answering the questions that were raised in Eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.

  
  

  Obviously if Jehovah created the universe, He must reside outside the universe himself.

  Which leads me to the following questions:

  
  Why are statements like 2 and 3 above always worded (in JW literature) with regards to our universe only?

  Maybe God created more than one universe?

  Or at least shouldn't it be acknowledged that Jehovah is the highest authority in our universe, and outside of it? That he will restore peace and unity everywhere, not just in our universe?

  
  

  Now the statements seem to sort of decrease Jehovah's glory?....like ants living in a pot talking about how the Potter is the greatest authority in their pot....ignoring the beauty of all other pots and the authority the Potter has there.

  
  

  Are JW statements about this in line with Biblical ideas?

  
  

  I am curious about how you are looking at this.

  FYI 1 a second topic about God's non-physical nature will follow, so please restrict yourself to the topic of JW and God's glory and authority in/out our universe.

  FYI 2 I only did a quick search for Jehovah and universe on wol. There may be statements I have missed...

  
  
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  Article: "JWs door to door pamphlets are actually alright." Journalist's mistakes corrected in Comments by XJWs. Read his reaction.

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  https://www.the-newshub.com/general/jehovahs-witness-door-to-door-pamphlets-are-actually-alright#comment-section.

  jehovah's witness door to door pamphlets are actually alright.

  and their religion isn't that bad either.

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  Anders Andersen

  Saw the article, wanted to comment, but then I needed to signup. Just ignored it.

  Glad someone did comment :-)
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  Quiz - What do all of these jw.org WT Online Library references have in common?

  by Esse quam videri in

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  watchtower online library.

  sexual abuse.

  after effects: g93 7/22 6-7; g93 10/8 4; g91 10/8 3-10. alleged abuser: w95 11/1 27-29. ancient times: g93 10/8 3. appreciation for awake!

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  Probably not what you mean, but they are all pre-2000 so you can't read the articles on wol.JW.com.....

  (Is that short for WeOnlyLie.JustWait.OrganizedRobberyGroup?)
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
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  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  @DJ, Thanks for the explanation.

  I already assumed my views are quite limited by my JW upbringing and the information 'management' that comes with it. Unfortunately the J-C God seems harder to argue against than the JW God.

  @Cofty, don't worry, I'm still a materialistic atheist ;-)

  Like you I am convinced they process of how chemicals reacted and combined into something that we now classify as 'life' will be discovered someday.

  @prologos, I was planning on starting a thread about JW God in/out of time and universe anyway. Maybe we should continue there when I do (but I am fine here too :-) )

  And it's my understanding as well that the emptyness of the big nothing is likely to be oozing with energy fluctuations, and that the universe possibly sprang from those fluctuations. Apparently net energy in/of our universe = 0.
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  Anders Andersen

  @prologos,

  Thanks for playing ball in a nice and polite way. I like it :-)

  I consider the attempts to replicate abiogenesis crucial, but in MHO success would only prove there needs to be an agent to do it, no matter how remote the "operator"

  They are crucial indeed. But scientists are not really trying to create the process of abiogenesis; that process already exists ;-)

  What they are doing (according to my understanding) is trying to recreate the circumstances that (as evidence tells us) may have existed during our earth's long history, and see if this process occurs (or can occur) in these circumstances.

  If they succeed, it is proven that given a specific set of circumstances organic life can 'spontaneously' start.

  The role of a creator is then reduced to setting the correct circumstances and waiting for organic life to arise (as opposed to breathing life into matter to create life similar to the story of Adam)

  All that their intelligence is used for is creating the circumstances in which life could start, but they are not creating life itself.
  

  I agree with your statement that a creator is not bound by the laws of physics that govern our universe.

  And maybe my views are still to narrowly based on my quite recent (5 months) JW mindset, but in my mind any proposed creator is at least somewhat a person: thinking, having a personality, coming up with the idea to start creating universe(s).

  And the process of thinking is (even if we accept that it could take place without the existence of time) governed by some rules/laws.

  Like the laws of physics in our universe make it possible for structured processes to exist, some laws must govern any structured process (like spiritual living and thinking, creating) or these processes would be impossible....

  Accepting that this creator is not a person makes the whole discussion about a creator's (non-)existence a pointless one: some then choose to label the eternal origins of nature 'God', but they mean the same thing/process/entity as those not applying that same label.

  So while we seem to agree that there is no difficulty in accepting that there is no beginning of 'everything' because it 'started' with an 'eternal something' (Creator in your case, whatever caused our universe in my case), I am still puzzled about how you view life and 'god'.

  If god isn't alive and still created life....doesn't that mean life basically self-started anyway?

  
  

  As you can see there's a lot I still want to learn about this. Please enlighten me :-)